I know all of Mr. Gee’s loyal fan base will be disappointed but this is likely the second to last episode in the Low Oil Pressure Season of As Mr. Gee Turns. Have no fear however as I am already cueing up the next Season where Mr. Gee will be living up to the series title as he turns his crankshaft round and round with ease to similarly powers Möbius’ CPP propeller to spin as we go round and round this awemazing world of ours.
Those of you who are waiting on the edge of your seats for the final outcome of this season’s mystery thriller to find out who it is that is finally found guilty of murdering poor Mr. Gee will be glad to know that the jury is finally back with its definitive verdict! The title of this week’s update will give you a clue but you’ll have to read on to find out who turned out to be the dastardly killer on that ill fated maiden sea trial.
With that baited opening, let’s jump right in and pick up where we left off last week.
Circumstantial Evidence is Suspect for Good Reason!
In typical TV Series fashion, here is a quick summary of “as seen in previous episodes” …………
All of you who have been following along so closely (thanks!) will recall that from the very beginning the prime suspect in this murder mystery has been “Nick”, this mysterious dent in the steel oil pipe inside the crankshaft that carries the vital pressurized oil from the main bearings up to the connecting rod bearings.
Circumstantial Evidence Just Won’t Do
When I removed the crankshaft and was able to inspect it even more carefully, it still did not appear that there was any hole or crack in the oil tube BUT this time I was going to leave nothing to chance and so I had a whole new crankshaft along with a lot of other parts, gaskets, filters, etc. shipped from Gardner Marine Diesel in Canterbury England and they all arrived just in time last week.
However, I was just not going to be able to SWAN or Sleep Well At Night just putting Humpty Dumpty aka Mr. Gee back together again with just all this circumstantial evidence. I had to know for sure what had caused the oil pressure to drop and the bearings to fail.
First, I threaded one end of the oil tube and screwed in a SS set screw coated with sealing compound.
I removed the valve from the stem and poured 10W40 engine oil to fill up the oil tube and put the valve back in.
Prior to testing, I had scrubbed the whole area around the oil tube surgically clean so even a drop of oil would be easy to see.
Nice to be vindicated and have proved that either the dent or Nick had not penetrated the walls of the tube and/or my silver solder patch had done the job.
Nick was immediately released from custody with the sincere apologies of this kangaroo court, but I was now left back where I started, not knowing what the source of the problem was!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
So I did what you do in such situations, you“go to the mattresses” and call in the experts. In this case I reached out to my two best experts in such areas; Michael Harrison who is “Mr. Gardner” and owns/runs Gardner Marine in Canterbury and Greg, one of my longest running best friends from back in the days when we were both working nights and weekends as heavy duty mechanics at a large lumber trucking company in Vancouver BC while we were both going to a combination of UBC the University of British Columbia and BCIT the British Columbia Institute of Technology, to become Industrial Education teachers aka “Shop Teachers”.
I had been in touch with Michael and Greg since the low oil pressure fiasco had begun and was sharing lots of photos online and daily updates as I worked on Mr. Gee. Michael, who has worked on hundreds of Gardner powered boats all over the world, came up with the key when he posited that we/me were thinking about this backwards. It was not that the wear on the bearings was caused by low oil pressure, it was the other way around! The low oil pressure was CAUSED BY the wearing of the bearing material which allowed more and more oil to escape out the growing space as the bearing material wore away.
OK you might ask, but then what caused the wear in the fist place?!?!?!
If you really want to know the answer to this question, please keep reading but there are no photos to go with this so it will just be my text based explanation to walk you through it. You will be fully forgiven if you want to skip down to where we resume our normal photo based programming!
After walking through the events more thoroughly and with Michael’s vast experience with Gardner engines and Greg’s decades of experience with diesel truck engines of all kinds and then my notes and recollection of the events leading up to the failure, we were able to figure out the TWO contributing factors that caused to the rapid wearing of the bearings and the subsequent loss of oil pressure.
Factor #1 is that I had reused Mr. Gee’s original crankshaft “as is”. That is to say I did not replace it or send it out to have all the journal surfaces reground.
I have rebuilt a LOT of engines over the past 50 years and what you/I normally do is completely inspect the crankshaft of the engine you are rebuilding. You use very accurate micrometers to measure the diameter and concentricity of all the journals and compare these to the factory specifications to determine what amount of wear had taken place over the life of that engine/crankshaft. Then you also carefully inspect all the surfaces of the old bearings and the crankshaft journals with a magnifying glass for any wear, grooves, scratches, etc. If the crankshaft is within specs, not worn and all the journal surfaces are still like new, then you can reuse that crankshaft. If not you most often send it out to have all the journals ground down smooth and use oversize bearings to make up for the material that has been ground off.
Factor #2, is that one of the two captains who had been hired to take Möbius out on sea trials prior to Christine and I accepting the boat from the builder and taking full possession and responsibility of the boat, did not have any experience or knowledge of CPP or Controllable Pitch Propellers. It did not seem like a major issue at the time as I explained how they worked and showed him how to slowly move the Pitch lever at the Helm forward to increase the Pitch angle and cause the CPP prop to “bite” or grab the water more and more to pick up boat speed through the water. I showed him the Pitch gauge and explained that he needed to increase the pitch very slowly and not to take it past half way during this first test while we were “breaking” everything in.
With the engine being brand new and coming up to temperature for the fist time, there was some smoke coming off the engine from all the new paint and left over bits of grease and oil from working on the engine so I had left the Helm and gone back to keep a close eye on Mr. Gee as he went through his paces. While I was there I tell from the sound that the engine was under a lot of load and I saw that the oil pressure gauge had dropped to just below 20 PSI and I immediately pulled Mr. Gee’s shutoff lever and shut him down. But it was too late, the damage as it turns out had already been done!
What had happened was that the Pitch lever had been pushed all the way forward which dialed in the maximum pitch angle on the four massive prop blades and with Mr. Gee running at lower RPM of about 1100 this massive sustained load had caused the brand new bearing surfaces to rapidly wear under the load as the original crankshaft journal surfaces labored over them. For those of you who have driven a standard shift car or truck, this would be like trying to climb a steep hill in high gear with the “pedal to the metal”. You get the idea!
Now the puzzle pieces all fell into place; the huge loads on the new bearing surfaces had worn rapidly which increased the microscopic space where the oil normally keeps the two surfaces from touching and so as this space increased with the ongoing wear, more and more oil was able to escape or “leak” out the sides and fall back into the oil sump. A vicious cycle then repeats itself with more wear leading to lower oil pressure which leads to more wear which leads to ………… where we are today!
While disappointing to say the least, at least I was now confident that we had found the true cause of the wear and the low oil pressure and Michael added that he had seen this exact same scenario play out on several Gardner powered boats over the past 20+ years so I can at least SWAN and get on with putting Mr. Gee back together again with his all new crankshaft, bearings and even more TLC than I already lavish upon him.
OK, back to our regular Show & Tell programming!
In Go the Pistons
Each of the three rings are then compressed so that they fit inside the cylinder and when the last ring is in the piston slides down the last bit to where the top con rod bearing rests on the awaiting con rod journal.
Main Bearing Lube Oil Pipework Assembly
BTW, for those wondering why the wear on the bearings #1 and 2 up at the front was the most and then became a bit less as you went aft, you can now see why as bearing on Cylinder #1 is at “the end of the line” or furthest away from the source of the oil pressure. So as the wear began and the oil leaked out, the pressure drop became progressively greater as it worked its way back from this T joint.
Piston Head Clearance
If you look at the photo above you can see that the difference is 0.015 or 15 thousandths of an inch and the factory specification is that it must be between 0.012 and 0.020 so this is Goldilocks “just right”.
Heads Go On
Wondering what all the black “donut holes” surrounding each cylinder are?? These allow the coolant (water + antifreeze) to circulate between the lower cylinder block and the upper heads to keep everything at just the right operating temperature which in the case of a 6LXB is quite low at about 60C / 140F whereas modern engines run at about 80 – 95C.
One of the last steps before I can lower Mr. Gee back in place and attach him to his buddy “Normy”, the Nogva CPP gear box, is to lift that humungous flywheel back up and slide it onto those 6 big studs you can see sticking out of the aft end of the crankshaft in the bottom Right.
Flywheel Assembly
I hope all you Dads out there had a fabulous Father’s Day that was just right, just for you!
So this is where I will also leave all of you “hanging” for this episode of As Mr. Gee Turns and I hope to have him fully mounted and possibly running again in time to bring you perhaps the final episode of the season!
Thanks for your time to join me here today for this latest Möbius Show & Tell, and please come join me again next week to find out how this season ends and I do hope you will add your comments and questions in the “Join the Discussion” box below.
-Wayne
Never being one to let well enough alone, have you ever experimented with methanol blended with diesel fuel?
My overall curiosity keeps me interested in alternative fuels and such but for eXploration and eXpedition boats such as XPM78-01 Möbius my top priorities are Safety/Efficiency/Low Maintenance/Comfort and so in the case of fuels going with a single fuel solution, that being diesel of course, is IMHO by far the winning choice. Given our preference for some of the most remote spots in the world, availability is part of the “Low Maintenance” factor and so knowing that I can find diesel of some description, however questionable of quality, pretty much anywhere in the world is another big factor that makes diesel the only viable choice for an XPM at this point in time for me. Then there would be storage of any additional fuels, tanks, plumbing, pumps and many more such considerations and so my preference to KISS as much as possible comes into play and added to making a single fuel boat an easy choice for me and one that I appreciate more and more each day.
-Wayne
Back in my younger and more “racier” days I did play around with blending other fuels with diesel for “monster truck” engines and the like which did include methanol but that was many many moons ago for me and a totally different application of course.
Outstanding Wayne. Did you sleep better last night? You have convinced me.
Hi Wade. I did sleep very well last night thanks. I am fortunate to have learned how to get to sleep in under a minute (ask Christine!) and to sleep well till I awake and that along with an added dose of physical exhaustion of late and a glass or two of wine each night has me sleeping like a baby every night.
As you know from all your first hand experience, SWAN or Sleep Well at Night is mostly about us having complete confidence in our boats before we go to sea and so in that regard, the recent conclusion of the mystery root cause of the bearing wear and loss of oil pressure has added yet another level to my SWAN factor and the next notch will be when I get Mr. Gee back up and running and out there at sea breaking him in properly and well.
Look forward to having you come see and hear for yourself on your next visit.
-Wayne
Very glad to hear that you found the culprit.
Out of interest, will you have to always reduce the pitch when reducing revs, or is it the case that you will never use maximum pitch?
Excited to see that the day is getting closer that you and Christine will take your beauty to sea.
Good question and thanks for asking Andrew as many people, us included, are interested in these same questions related to our Nogva/Gardner CPP setup on Möbius. However I suspect that you are about to be very sorry you asked as the answer is a bit complicated, or at least will take me a bit of explaining to explain. Also keep in mind that Christine and I are still VERY new to CPP and just starting our run up the learning curve but here’s what I can tell you so far.
We still have what appears to be the same basic setup of two side by side levers in the cockpit as our previous fixed props or AutoProp boats with one for throttle/RPMs and one for Pitch aka Fwd/Neutral/Aft propulsion. However, in a CPP based boat you use these two levers in somewhat of the opposite way as the first thing you do is set the RPM’s to what you want and then leave it there and only move the Pitch lever to change boat speed and direction. The most disorienting thing for me at first was having the engine sounds not change much at all as you go from full stop to full ahead or full reverse. Right now we are leaving all hatches and doors open so that we can actually hear the engine as it becomes completely silent within the very well insulated Engine Room. Indeed, compared to fixed prop boats we are accustomed to, there is almost a complete lack of any kind of feedback propulsion wise with not only no change to the engine RPM and sounds but also no “clunk” as you move the Pitch lever from Neutral to Forward or Reverse. However, as I get used to this I think this is a good thing as it keeps my focus on what matters which is what the boat is doing.
The other big difference is that you pretty much run the propulsion of the boat using the Pitch lever however you adjust the Pitch NOT by the position of the Pitch Lever nor by the actual Pitch Angle gauge and instead you adjust the pitch based on the EGT or Exhaust Gas Temperature gauge. EGT pretty much equates to engine load in that as load goes up so does EGT and every engine has a maximum “safe” EGT or maximum load which is recommended to run at for a given amount of time.
For an XPM or any boat doing long passages you need to have an engine that has a CONTINUOUS rating, meaning that it can run at that HP/Torque/RPM 100% of the time. John Deere for example, refers to these as “M” (for Marine) ratings where M1 means continuous rating and you can run an M1 John Deere at that HP/RPM 24/7 and their definition of M1 is: “The M1 rating is for marine propulsion applications that may operate up to 24 hours per day at uninterrupted full power. These applications typically operate more than 3,000 hours per year and have load factors* over 65 percent. The M1 rating is the ISO 8665 standard power rating and the SAE J1228 crankshaft power rating. Both are defined as the power level at which an engine can run continuously between recommended service intervals. Possible applications: Line haul tugs and towboats, fish and shrimp trawlers/draggers, and displacement hull fishing boats over 18 m (60 ft)”.
This SAME engine but in the M2 rating is defined as “The M2 rating is for marine propulsion applications that operate up to 3,000 hours per year and have load factors* up to 65 percent. This rating is for applications that are in continuous use, and use full power for no more than 16 hours out of each 24 hours of operation. The remaining time of operation must be at cruising † speeds. Possible applications: Short-range tugs and towboats, long-range ferryboats, large passenger vessels, and offshore displacement hull fishing boats under 18 m (60 ft).” and so it goes up to M5 “the M5 rating is for marine recreational propulsion applications that operate 300 hours or less per year and have load factors* below 35 percent. This rating is for applications that use full power for no more than 30 minutes out of each eight hours and cruising† speed the remainder of the eight hours, and do not operate for the remaining 16 hours of the day.”
In the case of Mr. Gee, we have set him up for what would be an “M1” John Deere rating which is a Continuous 100% use rating of 112kW/150HP 736NM/542 Ft-Lbs Torque @ 1650 RPM
Sorry for my typical “brevity challenged” answer, (and this is just the lead in!!) but without this context any discussion about Pitch in a CPP boat isn’t very meaningful.
Back to CPP and your question, in general we don’t “reduce revs” much at all and “maximum pitch” is a relative term in that we dial in whatever amount of pitch we need to get the speed we need and so in that sense we are always using “maximum pitch” for any given boat speed. To get up to maximum boat speed we would need to have the engine running at its “maximum” or Continuous rating RPM which is 1650 and then keep increasing the Pitch until the EGT gets to about 400C/750F. Right now we are still going through the initial break in period for Mr. Gee so we will work our way up to this maximum cruising speed over the coming weeks and as per last week’s update (July 2nd) we ran at 1550 RPM with EGT at about 320C which netted 9.2kts of SOG.
Simple answer to a simple question right Andrew?!?!?!?!?!
In practice, it really is all very simple, just a lot different than what we are used to so will take us awhile to sort through and I will update everyone via the blog as we learn to run Möbius for maximum efficiency and have more and more real world data to share with you all.
-Wayne
Hi Wayne,
Thank you for the comprehensive and enlightening answer.
As a follow-up question, will the CPP allow over rev’s when Möbius surfs down a back of a wave?
Not quite sure if I am understanding your question regarding “over rev’s”, but a CPP is no different than a fixed prop blade when it is running. With a CPP we just have the option to adjust the pitch at any time. So when we are surfing down the back of large waves, unless we change the pitch, our prop is “fixed” and behaves no differently than any fixed pitch prop.
What IS quite a bit different is the way Mr. Gee, our Gardner 6LXB works in that the fuel/throttle is entirely controlled by the governor which keeps the RPM at whatever we set it. The governor adjusts the fuel delivery based on load to maintain the same RPM from no load to full. I’m sure there would be a point of surfing down eXtremely large waves when the forces on the prop would be enough to force the prop/engine to rev faster but until this force is reached, the governor will just cut back on the fuel to keep the RPMs the same when surfing “downhill”. So this is quite different than other diesel or gas engines in that they would need to be constantly adjusting the throttle lever position in order to maintain the same RPM under different loads which is not really a tenable option most of the time as you would be constantly adjusting the throttle.
In a way then, the governor controlled engine is able to act as a bit of an “engine brake” when surfing downhill, much like in a car with a manual transmission where you would back all the way off the throttle/gas pedal when going down steep slopes.
Make sense?
I was unconvinced by the leaking pipe explanation when you said that you could not see the crack, and I am pleased you have come up with another scenario. But again would an ‘as-new’ Gardener really self-destruct that quickly if it was over-loaded during run-in? I guess you are checking and re-checking all other options too? Oil pump, oil, etc….
Out of interest why did you have a temporary captain for your first trip and allow him to over drive the engine? If the answer is that the boatyard was technically still in charge as the boat hadn’t been handled over etc, then aren’t they (and their insurers) responsible for ruining your engine?
I feel very sorry for you that your first trip on the new boat is a tow to a boatyard where you can totally rebuild your as-new engine.
I really hope you get the right solution to the fault so that it does not happen again. I do know a new yacht that had 3 new engines before handover as the boatyard made the incorrect diagnosis of a back-syphoning fault that flooded the first engine and then repeated on the second. So take care and good luck.
Right with you Nigel and for a variety of reasons I’ll keep this brief, just for a change.
We too were very surprised and disappointed that it was even possible to “self destruct” a Gardner but as we have pieced together the events that led up to this and could examine the dismantled parts, it turned out that a “perfect storm” scenario had been created. eXtremely eXcessive loads were applied when the Pitch lever was pushed beyond max propulsion pitch for a sustained period of time and the governor based Gardner applied maximum fuel delivery so the loads simply overwhelmed the oil’s ability to keep the new bearings, which were also running on good but still “used” journal surfaces, well enough lubricated to prevent wear. Thus a “death spiral” set in with wear causing loss of oil pressure which caused more wear which caused ….
Re the question of responsibility, let’s just say that while your summation is correct and matches ours, getting to such a settlement would have had us and the boat tied up in the legal system for more than three years and so we just went for solving this ourselves in order to get us and Möbius back on the water and cruising he world.
While we still have many more sea trials and testing to do, the early indications are eXtremely promising so we are equally eXtremely eXcited about our and Mr. Gee’s future!
HI Wayne, I have been following your blog for quite a while. Very interesting, and a challenging job for you, I am sure. Actually, I am looking at buying a steel cutter equipped with a Gardner 6LXB from the seventies. That engine has been completely overhauled in 2017, and my understanding is they flew 2 engineers in to take the engine apart on board, ship it to the UK, rebuild it, ship it back, and it seems some local service people put it back into the boat. I have no firm info yet, but I suppose the engine was at Gardners. I want to contact them and ask for more info. Do you happen to have a contact for me? Quite some money was spent, beyond 30′ € (incl. VAT). 100 hours on the engine today again, not much at all. Any suggestions what to look for, critical items, and so on? Would be great to get some help here. Thanks, and all the best for you and your adventure! Best regards, Christian
Yes I now got info – the engine was sent to Gardner, except the block. So the reassembly must have been done locally, maybe not by Gardner people. Will try to find that out.
As per my response to your first questions about the 6LXB in the boat you are looking at, getting as much info as you can from anyone who has worked on the 6LXB you are looking at and especially those who rebuilt it, will be invaluable. Ideally you can find the people and company that did this rebuild and perhaps visit them or at least speak with them directly and be better able to evaluate their work as well as their opinions on the condition of this engine.
Let me know as you learn more and I’d be glad to be of any help that I can.
-Wayne
Hi there Christian, and best wishes as you search for your next boat. My apologies for the long delay in answering your questions about Gardner engines but as you may have been reading in the most recent blog posts, for the past three weeks we have been off on a much needed and long overdue Gramma and Grandpa time with our two granddaughters and their Mom & Dad from LA. I’m now doing my best to catch up to all the correspondence and questions that have piled up as well as diving back into boat work here aboard Möbius so thanks for your patience.
If the Gardner 6LXB in the boat you looking at was sent to the UK to be rebuilt, then it would almost certainly have gone to what is essentially the new original Gardner company, Gardner Marine Diesel in Canterbury England, that is now run by Michael Harrison. Michael’s Dad spent his career at the original Gardner & Sons factory in Patricroft and then when they ceased operation, he bought up all the inventory and machines and started Gardner Marine Diesel. I can not possibly speak highly enough of Michael and his small staff at GMD and so I encourage you to contact him and use GMD for your future Gardner needs. Michael spent many months hunting down the Goldilocks Gardner 6LXB for me which is now our beloved Mr. Gee. At the time he was in a tugboat on the River Thames and it was being converted for a new purpose and they wanted to swap the 6LXB for an 8LXB so then did an exchange of the 6LXB for a new 8LXB that GMD had fully rebuilt. This, in addition to providing a very full inventory of spare parts and accessories for Gardner marine engines is the business that Michael now runs and he is constantly sought out and flown all over the world to assist with rebuilding and installing Gardner engines of all types in boats of all types.
THIS contact page on the GMD web site will give you the various Email and phone numbers for you to contact GMD and I’d also be delighted to introduce you to Michael via Email if you prefer. I’ve been to visit them every chance I get and hope to get Möbius close enough to Canterbury next year for them to come see Mr. Gee for themselves.
As to your more specific questions about the 6LXB in the boat you are looking at, I don’t think there are too many unusual things on a 6LXB compared to any other mechanical marine diesel engine as one of the best features to me about a Gardner is how truly “simple” all the systems are and all the systems they do NOT have. Other than the 24V starter and whatever alternator you put on, there are NO electrics on an LXB at all! Let alone any electronics! No glow plugs, no electric gauges, no turbo, no electronic fuel injection, nada. Once the LXB is started, which you can even do by hand if the optional hand crank is installed, there are literally NO electrons flowing through it at all. Fuel injection is fully mechanical, cooling system runs at atmospheric pressure, etc. etc. etc. So the only “challenge” I think there is for someone inspecting and assessing a Gardner is to find a mechanic or other expert that is familiar with these “older” and more simple diesel engines.
You will find hundreds of YouTube videos of Gardner engines being started after sitting idle and unused for 10/20/50 years and starting up right away once they have fresh oil and fuel so were it me inspecting and assessing this 6LXB I would do the same, make sure it has a recent oil changes, clean water, air and fuel and then see how it runs. Obviously and as with any engine or boat, any and all historical paperwork on maintenance and servicing will tell you a lot about the boat/engine. It also holds true that you are best to “buy the owner” vs “buy the boat”.
If you have any other specific questions about Gardners, GMD and 6LXB’s by all means send them along and I’ll do my best to answer them. Hope my notes above and my many past posts on the work I’ve done on Mr. Gee are helpful and please do let us all know what you end up deciding with this boat or future ones.
-Wayne
HI Wayne, many thanks for your informative feedback – I know you have a busy schedule. I just asked Michael Harrison for some information – let’s see what happens. Very helpful, really! All the best, Christian
HI again Wayne,
just fyi – I decided to not purchase this boat. I emailed Michael Harrison, but I did not receive an answer. In other words, no confirmation of how this rebuild was done. Personal reasons are involved as well – I am happy with my present boat, which I upgraded to perfect shape over the last 5 years. All good, just no Gardner on board . OK, I will survive without …
Best regards, Christian
Hi Christian, thanks so much for sending me this update on your continue search for the Goldilocks boat for you. She is out there and you’ll know her when you meet. And you now know much more about Gardner engines so that if one shows up in a future boat you will be all the more prepared to assess that boat and engine.
I find that one of the keys to happiness is to be happy with what you have and not get caught up in what you don’t or what you might wish for and sounds like you are living and looking at life that way so it is serving you well. Keep up the good work on that front and do let me know as you and your boat plans progress.
-Wayne
Fully understand your reasoning and glad to get your Email that Michael had followed up with a very detailed set of notes about this engine which he had originally rebuilt. Best wishes with your search for the just right next boat for you and do keep us posted as this progresses.